Il n’y a pas quelqu’un sur le forum qui avait suggéré que la stm devrait montrer les conséquences possibles des coupures, comme à nyc?
Si ces projections devaient arriver, il serait impossible pour moi de revenir à mon domicile plusieurs soirs par semaine. Je devrais faire quoi, m’acheter une auto sur un salaire minimum à temps partiel, en plus de devoir continuer à payer 114$ / mois?
Les personnes qui seraient les plus affectées par ces coupures sont celles qui sont déjà dans des conditions financière plus difficiles. Refuser d’investir dans le transport en commun, c’est appauvrir volontairement le Québec et sa population.
Je ne comprends pas pourquoi le métro serait affecté, surtout avec des restrictions de cette envergure. Le métro devrait être le dernier service à couper.
The stupidity of cutting transit notwithstanding, the measures suggested here are asinine if you ask me.
Reducing metro operating hours in particular is nonsense. I’d rather see half the west island bus routes disappear instead, not like more than 10 people are actually using them anyways lol.
Removing trains on the orange and green lines… annoying, but it could just be a slight reduction potentially. Yellow line… dont they already only have 4 trains? So that would be a 25% reduction in service if they remove just one train which is massive
Cutting night bus frequency by 33% (from one every 45 mins to hourly) is probably the most reasonable measure here. Of my limited night bus experience, they’re always basically empty, and also anecdotally peeping thru night bus windows as they pass i generally never see anyone. Plus going from 45 min to 60 min headways isn’t that major imo, many EXO/RTL/maybe STL lines already have that (or worse) on their daytime routes.
pareil ici. Je ne pourrais plus rentrer du travail lol. Ce qui veut dire que je ne pourrais pas prendre les transports en commun pour me rendre à l’université le matin…je ferais quoi alors ?
Il est faux de penser que réduire le service de cette manière ne ferait diminuer l’achalandage que de 7 %. Je prédis un effondrement d’au moins 15 a 20 %, car si les gens ne peuvent pas rentrer chez eux, ils n’envisageront pas non plus de prendre le tec le matin. Plus de personnes à Montréal ont accès à l’automobile que nous ne le pensons, et des infrastructures cyclables combleraient les lacunes. Il faudra une décennie pour que la STM se rétablisse.
i don’t know which night buses you’ve taken, but most of the ones i’ve taken over the years are well occupied, and even often packed. Obviously that depends on the time and route, but yah
Wasn’t my suggestion but was in the article. Anyways, there are typically 5-10 night buses per route, not 1-2, and they usually run on 45-min or 30-min headways; a 33% cut would mean shifting to hourly headways from 45-min, or to 40-min headways from 30-min.
Some exceptions apply like the ultra-frequent 361 of course, and maybe the routes that operate from frontenac are more frequent than the ones on the atwater side, but this is generally what i see.
The ones i’ve taken are 356 (twice), 369 (several times), 376 (once and never again), and 382 (several times). For the 356/376/382 it’s perhaps not too surprising, but usually when i take them it’s only 2-3 people including me. In the case of the 382 i’m usually literally the only one on (usually i’d ride it saturday nights when it’s easier to get to namur).
The 369 i figured would be packed since it runs the 165’s route which is, perhaps infamously, one of the highest ridership routes; but no, usually when i take it there’s only 5-10 people on.
My best guess is maybe the night routes on the east side of the mountain are more packed then? Cuz my experience with the (admittedly limited) routes I take is that night bus ridership is insanely low
The only thing I think that will get their attention if either open letters are written in the newspaper, or that there is a certain mass of people that march in the street demanding for more financing (I really wish public transportation had that much people cheering it on, but I honestly doubt)…
I’m willing to collaborate with anyone if we could at least get some kind some message out in the papers…
J’allais proposer de signer/écrire des lettres ouvertes pour des journaux mais je n’étais pas sur des règles du forum concernant cela.
Si cela est possible, pour ceux qui sont intéressés, je suis prêt à collaborer pour rédiger des lettres ouvertes et faire pression autant que possible sur le gouvernement.
Il n’y a pas vraiment de réglements qui interdit ce genre de discussions, en autant que ça reste de bonne ambiance. Cependant, il vaudrait peut-être mieux créer un nouveau sujet ou encore une discussion privée de groupe avec ceux que ça intéresse.
Oh yah that would definitely explain our different experiences I’ve taken the 361 countless times and it’s always packed, and the 363 from memory is too, and I often take the 364 after a night out now that I live in at Joliette metro and I don’t rarely got to sit down.
Ah i see, fair enough yeah. We’re essentially living opposite ends of the spectrum lol, sine you’re taking the night buses with the highest ridership (judging by the 361’s impressive 4-min headways and the 363’s still good 10-min headways on saturday nights) while im taking the ones with the least (west island…)
Still, there’s probably some value in cutting a couple of the night buses that are empty (like the west island ones for example). They’re extremely long routes which probably means that each individual departure is expensive to run, so even reducing 1/3 buses would probably save a decent amount of money at night (especially if they pull it from the empty ones, even if they leave the high-ridership night routes alone)
Based on frequency numbers and ridership, I’d say the main reason those WI busses are empty is because the frequency is so bad. It makes even more sense if you transfer to them from one of the frequent busses because you risk waiting over 20min 50% of the time.
Back when I lived in Ahuntsic, I’d take the 361 to Sauvé then try to take the 378 back home. During the day, the 121 would run every 5 min all day, but at time it’d drop to 1 bus every 30-60 min. Most of the time I’d walk from Berri to Saint-Michel because it was faster than waiting for the bus.
The 30 min rule still applies at night. Bus services become extremely punitive and unintuitive the second headways increase to more than 30 min.
Normally I’d agree, but actually i think this is one of those cases where it’s a density/demand problem and not really the frequency’s fault. For fun i went out to look at pierrefonds boulevard for the past 10 minutes near the sources/pierrefonds intersection at ~1.40AM. I saw 14 cars (1-4 every 2 minutes), going “outbound” (towards homes), and a grand total of 2 cars going “inbound” (onto sources or gouin).
That would work out to about 100 cars “outbound” and maybe like 15 cars “inbound” (rounding up a bit). Assuming an occupancy rate of 1.5 that’s 150 people outbound and ~20 people inbound.
The night buses would probably only take up a small slice of those driving, realistically. The routes are very long, so buses have a major travel time disadvantage in addition to the frequency/comfort disadvantages (talking night here so comfort is moreso “feeling of safety” even though the city is objectively pretty safe). With not many people on the road driving in the first place it makes it very difficult to build a large ridership here even if you run the buses often.
I’m no expert but my best guess is that since the density here is super low, coupled with the fact that most people don’t need to travel late at night anyways (late as in past 1am), you physically cannot get enough people travelling at night to make frequent night buses worth the money
All this to say that, if we’re really so desperate to reduce spending, running fewer night buses in the west island (and anywhere else where the routes are super long but the demand for night transit is super low) is a measure (and possibly the only measure) that I wouldn’t really complain about too much, especially if it’s just a reduction and not elimination
Admittedly the mini “experiment” is flawed because it’s only looking at one spot, whereas the relevant night bus (382) also covers gouin, and a bit oddly grenet, which is a corridor that’s fairly dense and has its own high frequency bus line (64). Still, it remains hard for me to imagine a situation where the 382 is frequent and has high ridership. This is because more than once i’ve been on it and was the only rider between the start at Namur and my stop on pierrefonds boulevard about 2/3 the way down the line. Even with 45 min headways, I’d have expected a few more riders if there was really demand for night transit along these corridors
i’m only doing an hypothesis and admittedly i’ve mostly had to take the night bus on weekends after a night out, but I suppose that’s the majority of users of night buses - people going back home after hitting the bars. WI being pretty much suburban, and from what I know more families and older people, it makes sense than not many people are taking the night bus home after a night out, bar the odd teen/young adult who still lives with his parents and can’t afford a cab home
I’ve taken the 361 countless times and it’s always packed, and the 363 from memory is too, and I often take the 364 after a night out now that I live in at Joliette metro and I don’t rarely got to sit down.