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Le prolongement de la piste s’en vient dans le Sault au récollet sur sauriol jusqu’au parc des Hirondelles
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Il faut être téméraires pour rouler en vélo sur Robert-Bourassa et en plus passer sur la rouge 
Une piste semble s’imposer. Pourquoi ne pas l’avoir fait encore afin d’apaiser le boulevard?
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Si je ne me trompe pas on parlait il y a plusieurs années d’y mettre une piste cyclable après l’ouverture du REM.
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Il y a un excès de voies autos ici. Une piste qui emmène jusqu’à la future promenade serait merveilleuse, en continuité de University.
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Coderre avait dit sur le sujet, quand il était maire et qu’il avait annoncé le projet de réaménagement, que des pistes cyclables pourraient voir le jour une fois qu’il n’y aurait plus de bus sur le boulevard (aka arrivée du REM).
Edit : j’ai trouvé un article qui en fait mention :
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En termes de priorités Nord-Sud en partant du canal, si on pouvait compléter la rue McGill (un jour) et le REV Peel (“bientôt”), ça serait déjà bien.
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Intéressante trouvaille, c’était donc prévu depuis le début. Est-ce que l’intention ou le projet dans cet axe est toujours dans les cartons de la Ville actuellement? Nous n’avons plus rien entendu là dessus dans les années subséquentes jusqu’à ce jour.
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La piste Peel ne joue pas déjà un peu ce rôle?
Clairement il faudrait travailler la connexion avec Lachine et finir la petite section après René-Lévesque, mais on n’est pas loin.
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Effectivement, par contre, on semble mentionner que le boulevard Robert-Bourassa a trop de voies véhiculaires (9 ou 10 selon les calculs) et que des voies cyclables l’apaiserait. Ce ne serait pas la première fois que des pistes cyclables dans les même axe mais sur différentes artères jouent un rôle d’apaisement.
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C’est exactement ça. On peut « doubler » les pistes (comme dit notre cher Pierre-Luc Brillant) pour plusieurs raisons.
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Okay but did you go in front of a driver shouting “I’M BIKIN’ HERE” ? Or is that only allowed in NYC ?
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I really should do that, I am from NYC after all…
J’ai essayé de faire une version française à envoyer sur les automobilistes incapables de pas bloquer le passage piéton, mais il y a rien qui a autant de punch que “I’m walking here!”
But I honestly think that being loud about it is actually productive : It creates public shame on that driver, everyone around will see it as something not to do, and sometimes it even does intimidates drivers into backing up out of the crossing.
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Quelqu’un sur University doit faire un détour juste pour aller au Sud, ça prendrait les 2.
J’ai cette proposition comme mesure transitoire à très court terme. Je devrais prolonger R-B, mais faut voir quel traitement il faut faire pour la section fédérale surélevée.
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Des rues résidentielles parfois très larges sont souvent mises à sens unique afin de faire chier les automobilistes réguler le trafic, notamment de transit.
J’aimerai, qu’au-delà d’une certaine largeur, on mette systématiquement une bande cyclable à contre-sens (ou juste des pictogrammes - voir photo). Je crois que ça ne coûterait pas bien cher et ça faciliterait la vie de bien des cyclistes, pour lesquels les sens uniques complexifient les trajets courts.
De nombreuses villes européennes ont systématisé la pratique. Ça a même fait l’objet en 2008 d’une loi en France (sans restriction de largeur de voie).
« Zone 30 : section ou ensemble de sections de voies constituant une zone affectée à la circulation de tous les usagers. Dans cette zone, la vitesse des véhicules est limitée à 30 km/ h. Toutes les chaussées sont à double sens pour les cyclistes et les conducteurs d’engins de déplacement personnel motorisés, sauf dispositions différentes prises par l’autorité investie du pouvoir de police. Les entrées et sorties de cette zone sont annoncées par une signalisation et l’ensemble de la zone est aménagé de façon cohérente avec la limitation de vitesse applicable. »
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CBC Radio’s call-in show (Cross Country Checkup) is currently live and discussing bike lanes. I’ll summarize some of the interesting points as it goes on. The expert they’ve invited on is pro-bike professor from the University of Waterloo!
- Brad Bradford (Toronto city councilor) is the first caller. He says that the issue has become “polarized” because people are “all or nothing”. He objected to the bike lane on Bloor Street. He considers it a “bad” bike lane because it didn’t already have cyclists using it, but 35,000 cars use it per day. “50% of the road space for 0.05% of the road users.” He says cycling advocates “defend the indefensible.” He says he rides his bike 10,000km per year because it is “the fastest way to get around Toronto” because the transit is “unreliable” and “the traffic is so bad,” but that he isn’t an “ideological cyclist”.
- The expert says that adding bike lanes rarely cedes 50% of the street area to bikes, and that adding bike lanes does not reduce the capacity of an intersection for cars, which means it does not reduce the flow of cars.
- A caller from Guelph says that they want to see more safe bike lanes, because they talk to a lot of people who want to cycle but who don’t feel safe doing so.
- The term “critical mass” has already been used twice.
- A caller from Vancouver says that some areas have good infrastructure, and then suddenly there is nothing. Some important corridors have no safe way to cycle. They call Vancouver the most “mystifying” city they’ve ever cycled in.
- A caller from Red Deer says that the system there is also inconsistent. They don’t think the bike network is “necessary” (and say some things that make them sound like a “vehicular cyclist”).
- A caller from Ottawa says he has traveled to [list of places in Europe] and says that the culture is very different there than in Ottawa. Some areas in Ottawa have bike lanes, but others have none, and riding in the areas without bike infrastructure is so scary that they ride on the sidewalk. They say that vehicles often pass them very closely. Says that they were a bus driver but the infrastructure made it difficult to give cyclists the respect they deserve.
- Someone who wrote in says that removing bike lanes will not decrease traffic or increase business.
- Another texter says that they don’t understand why nobody knocks on doors to ask them and their neighbors whether or not they want or would use a bike lane.
- The expert says that data is collected. In the past it was done manually, but is now done with electronic counters. Speaks on induced demand, and how you can expect a bike lane to generate lots of use if there is something on it like a mall or university.
- Ian asks the expert about bikeshare. Do they contribute to cycling in a city?
- The expert says that bikeshares are largely used by people who don’t have their personal bike with them, speaks about multi-modal transport.
- A caller from Montreal says that there are too many bike lanes. Says that Valerie Plante puts the bike lanes “n’importe où”. Says businesspeople are often complaining on the news. They complained about a driver they saw hit a cyclist who “ran a red light”. They seem to be especially angry about bike lanes on busy streets because they encourage cyclists to be on streets where cars are moving at high speeds. Complains about the deficit and systemic racism (??) and the waste of money being spent on bike lanes.
- The expert says that research shows that cyclists have the same buying power as drivers and in fact make more purchases. Says that the example of one bad cyclist doesn’t speak about the lanes being bad, because this happens between drivers as well. Mentions that Minneapolis built their entire bike network for the amount of money it costs to build 1km of road for cars, so the cost is negligible compared to the rest of a city budget.
- The caller reiterates that “a lot a lot” of money is being spent on bike lanes, and says we need “balance”. They really do not like Valerie Plante. They imply that bike lanes cost more here because of the province’s exceptional bureaucracy (??). Emphasizes that businesspeople need to be listened to.
- A caller from Ottawa says that bike lanes aren’t just about safety for cyclists. Says they’re afraid of cyclists coming up behind her on the sidewalk. Says that now there’s a bike lane on a certain bridge, they’re no longer afraid of coming into conflict with a cyclist while crossing the bridge.
- Ian mentions the previous cyclist caller from Ottawa who mentioned riding on the sidewalk.
- The caller says that’s why they’re pro-bike lane. Complains the lanes often end abruptly, forcing cyclists to go onto the road or sidewalk. Emphasizes the importance of a connected network.
- A caller from Toronto says that a bike lane was just put in two blocks from where they live, that the City was “trying to make like, a network,” and that parking spots were removed. Says that the bike lanes are “right against the sidewalk.” Complains that their car door now opens into the car lane on one side, and into the bike lane on the other. Complains that they now have to park 3 blocks away from their home. Finds the bike lanes “unsafe”.
- The expert says that “dooring” is common. It requires attention from both cyclists and drivers. Mentions buffer spaces and calls it a “design challenge”. Says that the idea that we are entitles to on-street parking in front of our homes is reflective of our car-dominated mindset, mentions that this is not common in areas in Germany.
- Ian says that it’s difficult to change this mindset when you’re used to an area having been designed a certain way.
- A caller from Blue Mountain, Ontario says that they support bike lanes but they are a driver. They support public transit as well. They say that Ontario is car-centric and that changes are needed because of the amount of volume on the roads. Says that pedestrians and cyclists need dedicated space in order to be safe. Says there are no transit options in Blue Mountain, and that local cyclists end up on dangerous roads. Says that the city is building [more secure] bike lanes on residential roads that already have one, but meanwhile the corridors where they’re needed have nothing.
- A caller from Victoria says that they’d like to see more education for cyclists to understand that the lanes are for their safety. Says they see cyclists “not using the hand signals” and sees many cyclists as unpredictable.
- Ian says “I can’t tell if I see cyclists who flout the rules more than drivers who flout the rules, but man, in Vancouver…”
- The caller says “everyone is guilty” [when it comes to bad behaviour]
- A caller from Victoria Beach, Manitoba says that they have cycled in big cities. Minneapolis was good. Winnipeg “is trying”. Says that there are “bike lanes, and bike paths. Bike paths are for recreation. Bike lanes are for commuters.”
- A caller from Toronto says that they and their son were both hit by cars while cycling. Their son was in a painted bike lane when a driver “lost control” and hit him, and he now has 50 stitches. The caller was hit by a driver turning right who did not look. Emphasizes that there is a difference between protected and non-protected bike lane. “The painted ones are not as good as the protected lanes.” Says that riding in Montreal is “a dream” because of the protected lanes.
- Ian asks the expert about the importance of connecting bike lanes.
- The expert says “connectivity is key.” There should be direct connectivity between where people are and where they want to go.
- Ian says he wants to get on his bike just because of this conversation.
- The expert says that kids who grow up biking with their family become “independent travelers” very early, and are able to go to school or visit friends or family on their own.
The show is now over. Overall a very positive discussion, and somewhat funny that the most negative person was from Montreal!
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Honestly exasperating and it makes me worry we could take a giant leap back if the political winds start blowing in the opposite direction.
Edit: I’m referring to the comments of the people who called in! I didn’t listen to the show, but if the expert was on hand to put everything into context or rebuke any misinformation — like that coming from the Toronto city councillor — then it may have been a more positive experience than what I’m thinking.
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And the recording is online here, for those wishing to listen: https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-13-cross-country-checkup/clip/16160356-when-comes-bike-lanes-streets-many-few
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