Exactement ça! Qui plus est la possibilité de descendre plus proche de sa destination (E. Montpetit ou McGill) au lieu de devoir rebrousser son chemin en arrivant à Gare Centrale et marcher un autre 10 min ou prendre une correspondance métro…
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Three sounded low to me so i double checked, it was four (not 5) between 7am and 8am. I probably said 5 because the gap from 7.13-8.18 is 5 trains in 1h5 mins.
But the point I was trying to make was that the train departures were concentrated. The trains between 6.48AM and 8.35AM come every 10-20 mins, and about every 15 mins on average (7 trains in about 1h45 mins). The point is moot because of WFH, so we’ll never see those numbers again, but if that kind of ridership were to return, yes the REM would feel quite crowded when I keep in mind that an MR90 train is roughly equivalent to three four-car REM trains in capacity
The most I can see happening is maybe some people can leave after 8.35AM if they need to catch work or a class at 9.30 or 10AM (assuming the old 9.12AM train didn’t work for the latter). So there might be a bit of “spreading” in that direction, but the old train service caught most of the people in the core slice of the rush hour.
It’s not only the departures that were concentrated but also ridership, due to the limited options for origins north of Roxboro.
The 28 min gap between trains 928 and 930 created a crunch on the 928 departure, in the core of the rush hour (arrival at destination by 9)
Anyone from DM/Laval needing to be at their destination downtown by 9:30-9:45 had to take the 930 wheras 2 other trains (914-902) were available to riders south of Roxboro.
We also have to take in consideration that alongside WFH, flexible schedules are also way more common for office workers than pre-covid. With a train every 5 min, we can expect ridership spreading accross the board, and people wont need to give themselves huge buffers aiming for an earlier train in case they miss it like before.
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Eight departures between 6 and 9. Now there will be 36.
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Yeah i clipped the screenshot because I was mostly talking about seats available at roxboro (which was the original point I was trying to address but i guess the discussion evolved haha).
It’s for sure true that at deux montagnes they would be able to distribute a lot better due to the insane gaps they had in the morning rush. It’ll be so much easier for commuters to arrive on time, they don’t need to show up so early anymore.
At roxboro though I dont see the REM making it easier to specifically get a seat precisely because we had extra trains at our disposal. The overall transit service will be a million times better, due to the vvastly increased number of trains, but we will never get to sit down in rush hour haha, unless the ridership drop due to WFH sticks.
Great for show up and go/not missing my train. Bad for seating, though, since each departure now has 1/7th the number of seats haha.
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It’s a metro. I’d take “get where I want, when I want” over “better chance for a seat on a 22/27 minute ride” any day of the week. FWIW, there will only be 37% fewer seats throughout the 6 to 9 am rush hour, but more seats between 9 am and 4 pm and again from 6:30 pm to 10 pm, and ∞ more from 5 to 6 am and 11 pm to 1 am. Oh, and along with more opportunities for off-peak travel, let’s not forget the passengers wanting to go the direction opposite to the rush, who will now have plenty of options.
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Yeah i 100% agree. I stood in the DM days, ill stand in the REM as well haha. And the quadrupled frequncy will make using it a hell of a lot easier. All that was literally just to respond to this lol:
You said it yourself just now that it’s a 37% reduction. It seems obvious to me that i’ll never get a seat whether at roxboro or at ile bigras if i’m travelling rush hour. Which is fine by me tbh
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Like I’ve said before, it’s not perfect. I’ll take a metro service over a chance at comfort. But I used to stand in the vestibules of the boxcab-pulled cars or the CCF EMUs every (packed) rush hour ride, and back then Central to Roxboro was more like a 40-55 minute ride, if it was on time.
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There is also to get out at BF station and catch the next train from YUL or SADB branch. Most likely they will be less busy during rush hour.
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Yul definitely will be less packed. WI is just begging for service so don’t expect it to be fully empty.
(It’s gonna be hella better than a stinky 211 and having to deal with the horror show that’s called Lionel-Groux& le sudouest)
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Yeah I agree with you here. The inbound trains were rough back in the day, I usually showed up early to my departure to be able to stand inside the car instead of the vestibules but yeah it was rough. Though I used to aim for the cars closest to the exit at GC so it was probably not as crazy closer to the middle or front of the train i presume.
Coming back I used to just chill at GC and lineup for whatever departure came after the one I was on time for to secure a seat. Worked every time lol. 40-55 minute rides were not the norm tho i dont think? Outside of breakdowns and such, sometimes on one or two specific trains wed wait a bit at bois franc to let the incoming train pass, but most often it was the normal 24-30 minute ride
Sure, thats technically also an option, can’t argue with that
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Il ne faut pas oublier qu’il y a toujours de la marge pour ajuster à la hausse la fréquence des trains si l’exploitant du REM se rend compte que l’offre de service ne répond plus à la demande…
C’est de toute façon dans l’intérêt de tout le monde (confort des voyageurs et plus d’entrées d’argent pour CDPQi qui s’efforcera à garder un service attractif)…
C’est là que la décision et le génie d’avoir misé sur un service entièrement automatisé seront réellement payants (au sens littéral et figuré).
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Ce qui est sûr c’est que sur les antennes au nord de la GC on aura droit à des comportements entièrement différents de feu train DM. Juste le fait qu’on ajoute l’UdeM va amener toute une autre clientèle sur cet axe.
Est-ce qu’il y aura des hyper-pointes? Sûrement. Avec McGill et l’UdeM dans le même axe on va devoir composer avec beaucoup de demande à des moments précis. C’est inévitable. La demande liée aux institutions d’enseignement est notoirement assez inélastique.
Il y aura sûrement des trains bondés, parce que le système de bus va resté un entonnoir qui va concentrer la clientèle. Avec une fréquence et une amplitude de service accru (par rapport au train DM) on va venir chercher plus de clientèle aussi.
Après est-ce que le système va pouvoir composer avec ces pics? Probablement. L’automatisation aide, mais ce n’est pas une panacée non plus. Avec le télétravail les jours de la semaine voient des patrons de déplacements encore plus différents qu’avant. Pas sûr que la solution c’est d’ajouter de la capacité sur des plages horaires pour régler des enjeux ponctuels. Oui on ne dépense pas de salaire de chauffeur, mais un ajout de départ ne se fait pas â coût nul.
Au final, j’ai hâte de voir la performance des ascenseurs à Édouard-Montpetit, je vois-là un goulot d’étranglement important. C’est dans l’aménagement des stations entre GC et BF qu’on verra si on peut gérer adéquatement les pics de demande je pense bien.
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Le transfert entre la ligne Mascouche et le REM à Côte-de-Liesse sera intéressant aussi. J’imagine que cette ligne retournera à plus que 3 wagons par train.
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Would we even get more than 8 trains per day tho?
what i would love to see is the peeks induced by mcgill students doing McGill to McGill (sadb) and back
I can’t see that charter bus existing anymore
The REM station isn’t that close to MacDonald campus. I’d be surprised if it’s eliminated as it’s not really equivalent, though I’d imagine if the frequency of the 419 is kept high, it’ll be close.
If I recall correctly, part of the reason the Concordia Shuttle exists is also to simplify travel for students not familiar with the areas. I’d imagine the McGill shuttle serves the same purpose.
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A navette service from Mac to Anse a l’Orme instead of going on the highway could work if we don’t get a direct Mac/JAC bus line to the station (which would be a bummer)
À un party de famille, notre hôte travaillant chez CDPQi, on nous a montré ces superbes livres de 270 et 110 pages truffés de photos inédites sur le projet du REM. Ces livres sont des éditions limitées donnés exclusivement aux employés malheureusement…
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There will be a bus line from the station and the Macdonald bus will cease to exist.
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I would assume the 419 will be doing that job and cease to go to Fairview or just the 212 will continue to anse