Est-ce envisageable d’avoir des lignes de bus en circuit (loop) de la sorte?
(C’est très approximatif et peut-être pas faisable, mais j’illustre juste pour donner une idée, et ce n’est pas trop mon domaine disons)
Est-ce envisageable d’avoir des lignes de bus en circuit (loop) de la sorte?
(C’est très approximatif et peut-être pas faisable, mais j’illustre juste pour donner une idée, et ce n’est pas trop mon domaine disons)
I just want to highlight a McGill study did about the STM moving away service from Montreal-North and poorer areas to increase service in West Island.
The summary statistics showed that over the course of the study period (2012-2017), the STM saw an overall decline of 13.96% in its annual bus ridership. This decline was mainly at routes that usually enjoyed higher ridership. This was also related to service adjustment in the form of removing daily trips, in average number of trips per day declined by 4%. The STM directed its resources to improve service quality by offering more trips along routes serving higher-income neighbourhoods, while decreasing the service quality at lower-income areas. This can be related to the efforts of attracting more car users into the system. However, with limited number of buses, it came at the expense of more frequent riders. Indeed, the Montréal data demonstrated that routes servicing the most lower-income populations have seen large ridership losses, contrary to the expectation that these routes would have disproportionate levels of captive ridership. While this study has not specifically explored which types of riders the STM has lost through its policy decisions, it is nonetheless a reminder that all riders in the face of service reductions and a different affordable mobility option, some may leave the transit system.
For those interested in the study → Adjusting the service? Understanding the factors affecting bus ridership over time at the route level in Montréal, Canada | Transportation
Ouf! Ça va être dur de m’en tenir à juste 10
En bonus: 410 - Pointe-aux-Trembles, surtout la portion sur Notre-Dame
La seule raison pourquoi je n’inclus pas H-B est que le corridor est déjà en développement
La seconde inauguration du REM s’approche et j’ai quelques idées pour la refonte du réseau de bus de la STM dans le secteur Ahuntsic-Cartierville.
La première est de retirer 26 arrêts de bus sur la ligne 69 entre la station Henri-Bourassa et le Cégep Marie-Victorin.
Cela donne 19 arrêts plutôt que les 45 actuels, soit une distance moyenne de 500 mètres entre chaque arrêt. La ligne de bus continuerait vers l’ouest sur le boulevard Henri-Bourassa jusqu’à la future station du REM Du Ruisseau.
La deuxième est de créer des nouvelles lignes et modifier ou retirer certaines lignes existantes.
La ligne en bleu serais… la création de la ligne 53 Gouin ?
J’avoue ne pas comprendre le but d’une ligne qui fait presque une boucle. Je pense à la 37 dans le Sud-Ouest qui a été scindée en deux.
Sinon, j’aime ces changements.
Je me demande d’où vient le 53, mais ça pourrait être ce numéro de ligne puisqu’il n’est pas utilisé. Ce serait logique puisqu’elle se situe assez près des lignes 52 Liège, 54 Chabanel et 55 Saint-Laurent.
Je trouvais la ligne 180 trop courte.si elle se terminait à la station Bois-Franc (5 km plutôt que 8km). Par contre, sa fréquence de bus pauvre, elle ne servirait pas à grand chose entre “Bois-Franc” et “Côte-Vertu”.
Mais l’idée de couvrir la rue Salaberry à partir d’une station de métro plus près est bonne et pourrait améliorer la fréquence des bus sur cette ligne.
Selon leur schéma, CDPQi n’a pas inclus des quais d’autobus dans le stationnement de la station Du Ruisseau. Étrange, vu que les voies réservées de bus du REV Henri-Bourassa passent en face de la station en question.
Je reviens sur la ligne 69 Gouin. Le service actuel, c’est-à-dire la fréquence des bus, est pauvre comparativement à ce que j’ai connu des horaires d’avant 2020.
Je me rappelle vers la fin des années 90 et le début des années 2000, la 69 Gouin passait aux 5-10 minutes en tout temps, même les fins de semaine. Quelqu’un est assez vieux ici pour se rappeler de ça?
Rendu là, la STM serait gagnante de fusionner les lignes d’autobus sur Henri-Bourasssa (48 et 49) avec la 69 Gouin et augmenter la fréquence des autobus sur cette ligne.
Je me rappelle du temps que la 69 était tellement fréquente sur l’heure de pointe que la STM manquait de place pour indiquer tous les passages. Elle garantissait juste un bus aux 4-6 min.
Le reste du temps elle roulait effectivement aux 10min ou moins toute la journée
C’est fou qu’on soit passé du réseau 10 min max à ça.
Oui, le service de bus de la STM a vraiment pris un coup à reculon.
Mais c’est aussi qu’on maintient un système de lignes de bus sur Henri-Bourassa (48,49,69 et 469) qui n’est plus efficace aujourd’hui.
Ce qu’il faudrait, ce sont deux lignes (7/7, 20h/24), soit:
Comme ça, les gens des lignes 48 et 49 pourront s’arrêter à un des 5 derniers points dans l’Est et avoir le choix de prendre le métrobus sur Maurice-Duplessis/Henri-Bourassa pour aller plus rapidement à leur destination et/ou prendre la 69 et se rapprocher de leur destination.
When @ChunkyPotato and I prepared maps to the Parlons-en consultation, I went through the exercise of matching the service hours to that used on the the existing routes. An improved West Island service (frequency matching the REM on key corridors) is possible.
There are still areas for potential disappointment. For instance, there’s no way to eliminate the majority of the A20 routes and recover service hours without significantly increasing travel times for those living south of that highway.
To take a look at the discussion from the time, here’s the forum link:
That’s a misleading figure. What the right map shows is a handfull of recently established low-frequency routes gaining ridership in the early years with an overall reduction in ridership in the system. Figure 3 from the paper gives that much clearer story.
Overall, the point of this study, that reductions in bus service in the 2010s was a bad idea, is a bit late. Here’s an old but good post looking into the data in 2015
Thanks for the answer. I thought the logic behind building a new metro was to alleviate the passengers.km on buses around the new stations versus having to bring them half way across the island but I know it’s more complicated than that.
This reshuffle of the bus lines is probably the most extensive planning work in the last decades with multiple factors to take into account. The Île des Sœurs criticism was just a glimpse of what is coming up no matter what will be proposed so it will be interesting.
Personally I can’t wait.
Well yes and no. There’s savings to be had by cutting lines like 470, 475, 468, maybe even 409. Itll suck for the people whose destination is around cote vertu but at this point there has to be some losers in this game, and they are definitely a small minority of west island commuters so it is what it is. For everyone else who used to take those buses, REM is simply faster even if it ends up being an added transfer
For the other buses though it’s rough.The A20 buses (211, 405, 411, 425, 485) will lose a lot of time detouring to the REM stations, and then there’s an additional up to 10/15 min wait for the REM transfer. On the positive side, the time savings to be made would be traffic between the reserved lanes (so in ville saint pierre/lachine), and in not having to transfer to the metro if the destination happens to be near edouard montpetit/mcgill/gare centrale. So it balances out, at least partially
I would personally estimate that the users of those buses will see their commute durations increase by about 10 mins in rush hour, or 20 mins off peak, if the buses are forced to detour to the REM and skip lionel groulx. For many this will probably be insonsequential, but for others itll feel like a massive downgrade depending how annoying the transfer is
Something to note: The estimated trip time from YUL to downtown is 25 minutes. Today, express buses from Dorval to L-G take 20-27 minutes according to their schedule and time of day. So in theory, if buses could efficiently reach YUL from the highway, the could just end there, adding little to no extra trip time while boosting ridership on the airport branch. Unfortunately it’s a pain to reach YUL from the 20 west.
I feel like 485 will still need to exist to be an express between Terminus Pointe-Claire and terminus dorval
If we had REM to dorval, it would be a no brainer. Buses beyond that would have no reason to need to exist. Im still miffed it didnt happen
Nevertheless, I guess that passengers will prefer to take the REM to YUL + a 5 to 10 minute bus ride to Dorval than to transfer from the green line at Lionel-Groulx and waiting for the bus (485 or other) in one of the worst terminus ever.
It has to be so that only one frequent bus line would make a fast connection between YUL and Dorval. Otherwise, it would be worthless to keep the same bus routes we have today to connect those two (204, 209, 460).
With all that traffic of West Islanders going through the airport REM station, one hopes that the tourist trap of charging 11 $ to take the bus to the airport won’t be possible anymore. I hope that’s correct.
Not as extensive as the West Island I am also looking forward to how the bus shuffle will be made for Cartierville and northern Ville Saint-Laurent. There need to be an improvement on how Bois-Franc, Du Ruisseau and Montpellier will be connected to bus lines while some people will still want service to Cote Vertu. Not an easy planning task considering limited resources.
Also curious as to if the STL will stop buses currently going to Cote Vertu at Bois-Franc or if they’ll shift everything to Ste-Dorothée and Montmorency even if that mean a quite longer ride for Chomedey people…
Again, I cannot wait.