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Communiqué sur le site de la STM
Les nouveautés du panneau
Les principes de design graphique ont été appliqués afin de mieux prioriser l’information et ainsi faciliter la lecture pour la clientèle.
Les principaux changements sont :
Optimisation de la visibilité
- Le numéro de la ligne est 17 % plus visible, le type de service, 148 % plus visible et les correspondances autres modes, 35 % plus visibles.
Alignement optimisé
- L’information est poussée vers l’extérieur afin d’améliorer la visibilité, lorsque le panneau est accroché.
Mise à jour de l’image de marque
- Le bleu redevient celui de la STM
- Le logo STM retrouve ses couleurs
- Les normes signalétiques sont en cohérence avec celles métropolitaines
Ajout d’une correspondance (REM)
Priorisation de l’information
- Réduction de l’information de nature interne et priorisation des correspondances des autres modes
Les panneaux seront changés graduellement sur plusieurs années, au gré des besoins opérationnels. Une trentaine de panneaux sont changés par semaine en raison de bris, de changements ou de vandalisme.
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Je ne suis clairement pas le 1er à suggérer ça. Est-ce qu’un jour on pourra avoir autre chose que les points cardinaux pour distinguer les directions de chaque ligne?
Je pense que c’est plus mélangeant qu’autre chose pour de nombreux usagers. Surtout avec le nord montréalais vs le nord géographique.
Pourquoi ne pas indiquer la destination plus clairement avec des points de repère? (Comme dans n’importe quel mode de transport).
Exemple : la 36 Monk deviendrait 36 Angrignon/ 36 Square-Victoria selon la direction.
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C’est le cas chez Exo, du moins dans le secteur Laurentides. Par exemple, on a « 709 Terminus Montmorency » en direction sud et « 709 Gare St-Jérôme/Cégep St-Jérôme » en direction nord.
C’est encore plus pertinent pour les lignes qui ne sont pas linéaires.
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STM’s internal system is quite older and doesn’t allow anything other than directions on buses. They don’t even allow for letters to be added after a line number besides X. The STM would need a greater amount of funding to allow their buses to support displaying something else
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That’s the part I don’t get, they can write what ever messages : Go Habs Go, Bonne St-Jean, etc, but cannot put a direction after the bus line name & number ?
Correct, those messages are preloaded on the very small computers, they do not have the storage to include a letter attached to a number (as well as other messages such as “clockwise” or an arrow to visualize it).
My dream us using LEDs that are colourful, highlighting frequent lines in solid purple or outline, letters with the direction, and connections that could disappear after it stops there (such as on the 24, mention Sherbrooke station only up to the station and not after). Something similar to this maybe, but it could follow the signage style:
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In the meantime, couldn’t they replace four special messages with ones that have only a cardinal direction? That way you could have the line name + a message indicating the direction without using any extra memory. Drivers would just have to change the message at the start of each line.
I saw a colourful, yet unreadable, 711 LED sign yesterday, on one of the New Flyer buses: Red-orange on red.
I doubt it was on purpose and could have been a data upload defect 
I wish the STM does someday update their systems. I think they’re the only ones in the GMA (and maybe GOMA) to not display the destination. The STL, RTL and previously mentioned exo do.
The RTL’s destination signs alternate between both terminuses regardless of the current direction, though, so it’s not very helpful.
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If those computers are really so old that they can’t handle such a simple task, they might as well buy a bunch of raspberry pi and replace those old computers. That should be all that is needed to handle the task. They are really cheap, but have several times the power of a 20 year old computer.
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We probably could cobble something together in a few hours, but it has to be ‘commercial grade’ (*cough cough*) or something.
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That’s the thing that I hate about governmental agencies. I’ve seen some incredibly janky solutions that work just fine. The private sector isn’t shy about using those kinds of solutions. They know that they will likely be replacing them within a few years with something else.
Those bus are going to last what, about 10 years at most? I mean, they are easily putting several hundred thousand kilometers on them within the first few years of service. They need to be realistic about the use that they are going to get out of the things that they are buying. A waterproof case is really all that they need to make this work long enough until they replace it with something more modern.
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The CAQ cutting funding has prevented any improvements like this. Even for what I want, better signage, costs the STM just too much (at least for what I want). Projects have extremely strict budgets currently and they don’t want to go into debt. My dream is upgraded computers but there’s no money currently
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I meant on the buses, but also on the physical signs. I think the technology exists for those😁
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The northern terminal is ready with some fresh signage for shuttles. They also seemingly removed REM signage from some hallways leading to GC.
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These efforts can be done because much of the signage is in ARTM’s property. If other actors responded better signage to the REM could be as good.
The signage to Gare centrale being removed is also likely because Kevric is now restricting what signage can be installed. They now require it all to be black and white, which is a detriment to accessibility. But who cares about the people that need it the most anyway?
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Insane how Kevric can just refuse to show signage.
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