Certaines lignes ont été changées ou abolies, d’autres créées, des correspondances sont devenues nécessaires, résultant en l’allongement des temps de transports pour certains élèves des écoles secondaires de Lachine, LaSalle et Verdun.
En allant à l’école, plusieurs élèves du secondaire ont déploré la longueur du trajet du bus 110, qu’ils empruntent. Certains estiment que la ligne est trop fréquentée à l’heure de pointe, d’autres doivent marcher plus longtemps pour se rendre jusqu’à leurs arrêts depuis la refonte des lignes lancée le 26 août dernier.
C’est le cas d’Alexia, élève en 2e année de secondaire à Cavelier-De LaSalle. Interrogée par Nouvelles d’Ici, elle témoigne que son arrêt était sur le boulevard Shevchenko, mais qu’« ils l’ont déplacé plus loin », si bien qu’elle a dû revoir son horaire matinal. « Je dois me réveiller à cinq heures du matin pour venir [jusqu’à mon arrêt], parce que je marche lentement. »
Elle n’est pas la seule. Pour les mêmes raisons qu’Alexia, une autre élève de Sainte-Anne rencontrée dans le bus (qui n’a pas souhaité être identifiée par son nom) se lève désormais 20 minutes plus tôt que l’année dernière pour arriver à l’heure au collège à Lachine.
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Its still such a sucky fact that we clearly have NO IDEA at all about what plans they have on the entire West Island bus re-network, where everything is on the table… And it’s also a pain that they clearly stated that they refuse to add any service to the west island, only redistribute the basically nothingness we currently have… While downtown basically have multiple bus parallels the metro…
The west island sprawl does not warrant, and will never have the level of service as central Montreal. I refuse to accept that the STM subsidize empty busses when the 24/105/165/80/67/55 are absolutely jam packed and desperately need more service.
I would be in favour of better service for everywhere, because service drives ridership. But the current budget isn’t even meeting what we have now. It’s simply not fair to increase service where the ridership isn’t there in the west island when dense areas are like sardines.
I just want to add, the much denser and much more populous east end has been dealing with hellishly packed busses for years on Langelier, Jean-talon, Viau, pie-ix and st-michel for years. They deserve better service too!
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I just don’t accept buses that should just be a 10 minute walk to the metro, we are told here that a 20 minute walk to a bus stop is acceptable and the norm while downtown it seems like a 10 second walk to the metro is unacceptable and requires 5 buses
But there’s not enough money. You have to invest (aka run buses) where the gains are the most likely, and that’s not in the West Island.
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Downtown has skyscrapers 50 floors high. The service is more dense because the area is more dense. The green line is full but so is the 24. Trust me, these parallel lines aren’t being wasted 
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If the STM you should be able to walk 20 minute to a bus stop is a thing they should enforce then we should not see ANY BUS in the middle of this that does not go outward
Just walk 20 minutes to your metro stop and just walk 20 minutes to your destination. (That’s what they tell us to do with the bus)
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I think you are not understanding. You want the STM to tell people in the city center, an area with skyscrapers, to walk 20 minutes to their transit station? This is the area that allows the entire transit network to exist as it does. This part of the city subsidizes the rest (yes! This is true). Because this is the point of the most destinations, we do not want to penalize people in the only area where public transit makes sense.
Services in suburbs do not physically or economically make sense without either high taxes or high rates of subsidies. If you want to be in close proximity to a bus line everywhere in the west island, that is a lot of empty busses for the STM to run. These service hours need to be pulled from somewhere, aka the areas that are financially supporting the entire operation. Which is downtown and the central boroughs 
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Why not, you got legs, use them, you have a metro and they are like at most 15 minutes of walk in the downtown core, taking a bus to then take a metro even if it’s 5 minutes of walk is just baffling…
I just don’t like the double paradigm, they tell us to walk at most 40 minutes and they complain that most use a car while they give those that are literally next to everything even more service
The metro is to not need buses,
Buses are where you don’t have nothing or to feed to a metro
Also our taxes are already higher than downtown and we get far less from it (we need to pay the Montreal tax on top of everything else)
The issue is that your ridership is downtown. Remove the buses from downtown and your ridership could fall down dramatically. Even if you move those buses to the West Island. And a decrease in riderships means less fares sold and less money for the STM. Most of the buses in the blue bubble also go out of it.
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How tho, you literally have a metro next to you, are people downtown so lazy that they don’t want to use it?
Okay I’ll make this last comment and then off to bed for me. Public transit resource allocation is not a dick measuring contest between the west island and city of Montreal. The truth is that in the west island, the busses are empty. In the city center, the busses are full. The STM will spread service accordingly.
Obviously demand can be induced through better service, but there’s an obvious limit to this. The west island will literally never ever justify a tightly meshed bus network like downtown because the density isn’t there. And the low density means these lines will never meet a threshold of fare box recovery that can be met elsewhere.
If the STM took the 24 and sent all that service to the west island, it would not get the same passenger numbers there. They would be 10x more financially in the hole than they are now, guaranteed
As for the comment about walking, It is not about laziness (although something could be said about suburbanites who drive even to their mailbox). The service pattern is distributed based on demand. The demand downtown is high enough that the metro and busses are both overcrowded. Why would you remove one of these??
I forgot to address this
Density is beneficial, urban design has always tended towards this before it was artificially stunted in the automotive era. More people in less space is a more efficient use of resources. The STM can do more with less, the SPVM, SIM, water utility, road resurfacing etc etc when things are closer together.
You can’t expect the benefits of having mass amounts of people when the whole pop of the west island is like 250k total, spread very thin
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This doesn’t equate to the total tax revenue from the West Island being higher than that of downtown though.
This article only contains data from the Ville de Montréal, but it gives a good idea of the tax revenue generated by urban vs suburban areas on-island. The taxes West Islanders pay cannot cover the costs of the infrastructure and services they require.
Downtown and the density surrounding it subsidize the West Island, which generates much lower tax revenue simply because the low density means far fewer people can live there. West Island infrastructure is also massively overbuilt because it has to be expansive in order to serve all those people living so far apart, so it costs a lot to maintain and replace when the time comes. The new Jacques-Bizard bridge for example, would cost $5,000 per person if it was paid for only by Île-Bizard taxpayers.
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The STM runs tonnes of buses downtown specifically to relieve the metro lines. For example, if you live on cote des neiges and study at ETS, you don’t have to take the metro at rush hour, you can walk to the 465 which does a loop. If the 465 didn’t exist, you would have to take the orange and green lines.
Cutting all the buses that run downtown would mean even more crowded metros at rush hour and significantly longer trips for those that take those buses (having to take 2 metro lines vs just one bus adds a lot of time).
Before any of those busy downtown buses are cancelled, the entire west island will become on demand transit, I guarantee it.
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If the 24 ever gets cancelled, it would mean all the lines with a lower fare box ratio have already been eliminated. So basically 70% of the network. That also means every single line west of Décarie except for Newman and 105 Sherbrooke, which are the only 2 that would compete on a passenger/km basis lmfaoo
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I fully understand all the joint y’all say, what I don’t like is them with outright lying To us they could just say we don’t want to serve you guys, but we’re contractually obligated but instead they say 20 minutes from a bus stop is fine enough for everyone well at the same time, they’re are buses 2 minutes away from Metro to serve the Metro
Also, I would not mind if we were shoved into b-zone if it meant we would be forced to get better service (that would obviously include the airport)
Being in b-zone would not result in better service, I’m really not sure why that would be the case.
The STM having a maximum goal of 20 min walk to a bus, does not mean everyone should be 20 minutes walk to a bus. It’s a maximum, and it’s largely achieved. They’re not lying, and they would definitely prefer to not have to serve sprawling suburbs lol, as any transportation planner would. It’s honestly a nightmare
This feels like a case of being personally impacted by something and feeling victimized by it. Really, the STM is contractually obligated to provide service to the whole island. The obligation is not to provide the same service everywhere. This would not make sense. So, they balance what makes financial sense with what is required of them. The west island is a mega money sink for bus service. It’s not much more complicated than that
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This might actually be good for us, have a fleet of taxis serve the entire west island bus stops… At least we would have frequency… It would probably cost the STM much more in contract costs than running the buses tho
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You’re basically getting next year the biggest increase in transit the West Island has and will never see again. Express lines will be created on all north-south axis of REM stations.
Some of us are suffering a lot more from all of this (ex: East of Montreal, Lachine/Lasalle).
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