I think the STM would like to keep a special fee thought. If you mix people from 747 with regular lines how you’re gonna charge that ?
The same way the STM charges you a normal ticket to Lionel and then charge you a expensive ticket to yul…
Anyways the STM will kill off the 747 to downtown as a requirement and Angrignon can just go to Mcgill… Or to Dorval then go to yul
Angrignon to yul is also a very expensive fuel wise (and anyways the PSSO will replace that with a trolly anyways… DORVAL to yul as the final 747 makes sense. For Angrignon u have the trolly, from the west you go to dorval and from downtown you take the rem
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C’est un gros détour de passer par le centre-ville pour aller à l’aéroport quand tu pars de Verdun, Lasalle, Émard ou Côte-Saint-Paul.
Le 26 minutes de trajet prévu juste pour le segment McGill<>aéroport du REM est à peine plus court que ce que ça me prend actuellement pour revenir de l’aéroport par la 747 + métro. Donc au total ça sera probablement environ 15 minutes plus long quand le REM sera en service.
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What about taking the 195?
Bringing 195 to the terminal would be great if REM-Trudeau accepts monthly users (which is up the air now). But for people who don’t live in Lachine LaSalle the STM could make some extra money with a 747 express to Angrignon. Châteauguay and Valleyfield also won’t take 195.
Ce n’est pas compétitif.
La 195, c’est 52 minutes de trajet d’Angrignon au terminus Dorval, et encore faut-il se rendre à l’aéroport après.
Comparativement, un trajet direct du métro Angrinon à l’aéroport, ça serait environ 19 minutes.
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Je crois qu’une desserte Angrignon-aéroport en express serait bien… Pas juste pour LaSalle/Verdun mais toute la région de Châteauguay aussi.
Ce n’est pas logique de devoir aller au centre-ville vers l’Est pour ensuite retourner vers l’Ouest à l’aéroport si on veut être compétitifs avec l’auto.
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If the stm change the 747 to Angrignon could cdpq update the non-compete class to include Angrignon?
What is stopping the STM from moving the 747 from Lionel to Atwater
En plus le REM la fréquence max c’est 10 minutes. Jamais vu ça pour un métro d’aéroport. Orly va être à 85 secondes et eux aussi c’est une ligne trans-urbaine.
Je pense que CDPQ va être content si ça déborde pas trop à Trudeau parce que ça fourrerait les autres stations. Je pense pas qu’ils peuvent unilatéralement modifier des clauses.
Nothing is actually stopping them from doing it. When I talked to some people doing the bus redesign, they noted about a 747 to Angrignon, I think more people should bring it up as a need at future redesign open houses
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Les clauses sont issues d’une entente, donc ça impliquerait de renégocier l’entente ARTM-CDPQ quant au REM et son intégration, elle ne peut pas juste être modifiée comme ça.
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L’expérience de transfert de la 107 vers la ligne orange à Square Vic est simplement mauvaise. Avec la 61, on avait au moins l’option de ne pas marcher 2 rues pour arriver au métro. L’ajout d’un arrêt à McGill/Saint-Antoine pourrait règler ça en partie.
J’ai croisé la 107 l’autre matin en marchant vers le bureau, au lieu de faire la boucle autour du square Victoria, le chauffeur a tourné à droite sur Saint-Antoine
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Not sure what you mean by the stop being so far, it’s right across the street diagonally from the McGill / Saint-Jacques stop:
(Also Apple Maps marks the 107 as solid purple when it should be outlined, I’m trying to get them to fix it)
I wonder if this is related to the work on the REV around here which plans to be on the right side of rue du Square Victoria (north)
Parce que la lumière McGill / Viger dure littéralement 4 secondes. Un détour a été fait pour avoir plus de temps et aussi que le virage est quand même serré avec les voitures qui essaient de courser la courte lumière verte.
Le détour est aussi en place pour le 36.
Via McGill D St-antoine G St-Alexandre G viger et route régulière.
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So that entrance you’re pointing at is two whole (underground) blocks from the train platform. It’s the entrance that is furthest away out of 4 entrances in total. It’s quite a walk.
But it could be a shorter walk, since the bus progresses from st Jacques to st Antoine, where there’s another entrance that is much closer, but where there is no bus stop. It then does a huge loop around the square, which is usually congested, to reach a terminus exactly on the other side of the same st Antoine entrance. The time it takes between st Jacques and this odd terminus is usually a good several minutes, which to me seems unnecessary. Why not just drop everyone off sooner? it’s a tricky, tedious and inefficient terminus imo!
In my opinion, a bus route from Angrignon Métro station to YUL airport via Terminus (Gare) Dorval could be a game-changer for the STM in terms of gaining ridership and breaking access barriers for people who otherwise only have the car to depend on to not only go to the airport, also to work too in the nearby industrial parks. However, I think the proposed bus route could be more of a partial replacement of one of the express bus routes (created initially for the Turcot Reconstruction which were maintained while the REM is under construction) that could be replaced due to the non-concurrence agreement when the REM is finally extended out along the Anse-à-l’Orme branch followed by the airport branch.
Example: The 485 Express Antoine-Faucon could be one option to reroute to Angrignon Métro Station as plenty of transit users take this line between Lionel-Groulx Métro Station to Pierrefonds/Château-Pierrefonds via Terminus Fairview, Boul. St-Jean and Terminus Dorval. During peak hours in my observation using the line, AM westbound users are heading out to work or study while AM eastbound users are mostly students heading to academic facilities in Lachine, LaSalle and downtown with some people going to work. Midday users are a mix with some people doing important errands between local areas as an alternative to the car. Obviously, the 747 line will still exist to downtown overnights when the REM is not operating so perhaps the idea of having a shuttle between the Terminus Dorval and the airport by the STM could be a main branch. However, local users of the 204 and 209 might have an issue of the shuttle idea if this becomes a replacement of the direct routing from other parts of the West Island with a potential added transfer at Terminus Dorval. Thus, perhaps having this suggestion of an Angrignon-YUL-Fairview bus line (maybe via Cardinal and des Sources) as a route that promotes improved inter-local access to/from Dorval, LaSalle and the West Island helps the student, or working commuter or someone on a budget or a young family get to where they need to go directly with fewer transfers. I do understand that the traffic congestion on Autoroute 20 is an obstacle between Autoroute 13 and the Turcot, however boarding from Angrignon Boulevard going west is already about 1/3 shaved off of delays from the schedule - equivalent to a bus exiting the reserved bus lane almost at that same point near the St-Pierre interchange.
The REM will also have outages so it needs a replacement bus route. The only possible option for that segment is Angrignon because the REM route can’t be done by bus. Marie-Curie would go to Côte-Vertu and should even keep a regular line going there. I think the REM itself won’t complain because they are required to call on STM in case of outage.
Tbh I’m incredibly interested in how the CDPQ/STM will schedule the rem replacement service. And at what point will exo be allowed to board customers from Montreal or Laval
You can board an Exo bus from Montreal with a plastic ticket, just not with OPUS. The most practical replacement plan would be a fare alignment between REM and an Angrignon express bus.