Station Des Sources

That intersection is actually finally getting a partial redesign (designed by a engineering contractor, and no concrete is actually being poured)

Pointe-claire does have an engineering and public works department, but I don’t know how much people are there

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C’est plus des estimation qu’un horaire fixe, par le REM est un horaire cadencé comme le métro qui a aussi des ‘horaire’ GTFS. C’est principalement du pour donnez un idée du temps de parcours et le correspondance avec les service de bus.

Et il a pas horaire sur le site de la STM pour le Metro, ni sur le site du REM

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J’ai l’impression que le GTFS du REM est plus précis que celui de la STM puisqu’il est possible pour le REM de facilement rattraper le temps perdu grâce à l’espacement entre les stations et le CBTC.

J’ai entendu dire qu’il existe un flux GTFS en temps réel pour le REM, mais qu’il est tout croche et qu’il ne fonctionne pas assez bien pour être déployé au grand public.

Ca depent, Vendredi, il avais des différence de 5 minutes avec les departs/arrive au stations

I probably will have to ask about it September 8th

I asked Potvin about it, and he said he’d bring it up during the traffic committee, but I have not heard any followup.

These are the emails with the engineering department. I haven’t received any replies after November last year.

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To tell you the truth, this interchange at Woodland avenue needs to be completely redone and the railroad crossing should be removed completely. :sweat_smile:

According to what I’ve heard, before being an interchange, it was a simple intersection with traffic lights in the middle of highway 20 until 1997 or 1998. There were so many accidents at the former intersection until around 1995 or 1996 there was a fatal accident in which a truck crushed some cars that were waiting at the red traffic light which was also synchronized with the railroad crossing:

After this fatal accident, the MTQ rebuilt partially highway 20 at Morgan and Woodland and put the highway 20 underneath the local road of Woodland (or above it at Morgan), but they left the railroad crossing since removing the railroad crossing would be too complicated to rebuilt with CN and CP and they would need to expropriate many residents living around Beaurepaire station and the railroad crossing…

The city of Beaconsfield changed the configuration of the traffic lights at Woodland around 2017 in order to improve traffic conditions despite the railroad crossing and the one hundred trains passing by each days, but it shouldn’t be a long-term solution:

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I talked with a councillor on facebook. He says there’s a problem with the traffic control box being old, outdated, and no longer produced, and can’t sync it with the new intersections to the north and west

I still don’t exactly believe that an upgrade is needed to fix the too short crossing time. Also if it is, that means that it will only be fixed in 2029 when the intersection is redone.

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I finally got an answer from Engineering.

The City has indeed reviewed this intersection and determined that the pedestrian crossing times currently provided are insufficient given the length of the crossings. We initially looked into implementing new signal timing, including pedestrian clearance intervals that would comply with current standards.

However, this modification cannot be carried out in independently. The current traffic signal sequence also has certain particularities related to the geometry of the intersection and the equipment installed at the site. Any modification to the signal timing therefore needs to take all of these elements into consideration in order to avoid creating additional safety or operational issues.

In addition, the ARTM has also conducted a study of this intersection. The study identified several elements that should be modified in order to bring the intersection into compliance with current standards and improve conditions for pedestrians and cyclists.

The City is currently working on the preparation of a more comprehensive intervention at this intersection. Several existing infrastructures must first be relocated or removed, including poles and utility networks belonging to various service providers. To this end, we need to coordinate the work with several partners, including Hydro-Québec, Bell, Beanfield, Cogeco and Vidéotron.

It is also important to note that this project requires significant collaboration and coordination with several external partners and stakeholders, including the MTQ, the City of Montreal, the City of Dorval and the STM. The various infrastructures and planned interventions of these partners at this intersection must be taken into consideration and coordinated before a comprehensive intervention can proceed.

These works represent a preliminary step toward a complete reconstruction project for the intersection, following an approach similar to the one recently undertaken at the intersection of Sources Boulevard and Avro Road.

In the meantime, certain issues related to the traffic signal wiring have also required our Operations Team to implement temporary measures, including overhead wiring, in order to maintain the reliability of the traffic signals and reduce the risk of outages.

We would therefore like to clarify that the situation unfortunately cannot be resolved simply by modifying a few signal timing parameters. The intersection presents several technical issues that must be addressed before we can implement and approve a new signal timing plan that complies with current standards.

Given the swift pace with which Hydro-Québec operates, this probably means it’s not getting fixed anytime soon.

I asked them for the ARTM study (+ put in a seperate document request for it to the ARTM) to better understand the problem

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I’m counting at least 11 different stakeholders in that reply they gave you :face_with_spiral_eyes: It will indeed take a while before this gets resolved…

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Too bad the other three corners have slip lanes. Just a horribly hostile environment for a mass transit station

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Ridiculous. The location of the station was announced nine years ago.

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Finally, a real sidewalk!

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Also the northeast corner lacks curb cuts for the slip lane. I once almost got hit there walking my bike to the island by a person only looking for oncoming traffic (Thankfully all the momentum transferred to the bike and not me). I can’t imagine someone in a wheelchair navigating it

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The lack of cooperation and coordination between the municipalities – and between the municipalities and the province – is woeful. It’s the same as the overpasses and the active transit crossings of the 40. Just a mess and a lot f passing the buck.

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Yeah, and the municipalities are reactive rather than proactive to problems. They knew for years a station would be there, but since there was not many pedestrians to complain, despite it being obvious that it would become a problem, nothing was done.

The missing sidewalk on the east side north of the 40 is in DDO territory, so they need to be the one to fix it. But it’s not as simple as installing a sidewalk as there is a light pole in the way of where the sidewalk would go

The east side of sources/Hymus is in Dorval, but since no one lives there, they haven’t cared too much about the pedestrian experience, so they haven’t even bothered putting curb cuts on their side of the overpass (or even repair the broken bits of sidewalk)

If any of you guys live there, I’d complain about it publically in Facebook groups (esp. to the councillors for district 8 in DDO, and for district 6 in Dorval) for any hope of getting things moving.

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STM 815 has been relocated for the time being because of roadwork construction in Sources and Hymus.

Le STM 815 a été déplacé temporairement en raison de travaux routiers à Sources et Hymus.

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Yeah. I don’t see it being fixed before 2029.

Pointe-Claire. For the light timing, the city has no timeline (probably stuck waiting for one of the 11 stakeholders).

For the curb cut, according to a Dorval councillor, apparently it’s too close to the entrance to the gas station and fixing it sooner than the rebuild is not an “efficient use of public funds”

Dorval councillor email

Thank you for reaching out to us regarding the intersection at Hymus Boulevard and Sources Boulevard.

Regarding your query about the northeast corner, our public works and engineering teams are initiating the sidewalk construction starting at the second entrance of the gas station (moving west toward bus stop #57373 in front of 2055 Hymus). The first entrance directly at the corner is too close to the turning radius; building out a curb cut and permanent sidewalk right at that corner today would mean tearing it out and rebuilding it once the full re-layout of the intersection takes place down the line.

To ensure efficient use of public funds, the current phase focuses on completing the new stretch of sidewalk along Hymus up to bus stop #57373. The plan is to extend this sidewalk further to André Avenue next year, as completing the entire segment this season would have exhausted the remaining budget allocated for Hymus Boulevard.

We appreciate you bringing this to our attention and taking an active interest in local pedestrian infrastructure. Please feel free to reach out if you have any further questions.

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I got the ARTM study on the intersection through an information request

Some highlights:

They have identified the problems with the intersection

They have the history of accidents

Long term, they plan on removing the slip lanes from the intersection (@SameGuy)

They also plan continuing the bidirectional lane on the east side of sources

For recommendations, they did recommend a fixed light sequence (with a ~40s crossing time). I’m still confused why they need to talk with a dozen stakeholders to implement it.

And they did recommend fixing the north-east corner, which they only thought would cost 56k$


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Une piste cyclable entre Cardinal et Salaberry (préférablement Pierrefonds) qui traverse la 40 serait incroyable, il y a déjà deux tronçons. C’est vraiment aberrant qu’il n’y a aucune manière sécuritaire de traverser l’ouest de l’île en direction Nord-Sud. Peut être dans quelques décennies…

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