Gare Montréal-Ouest - améliorations (2023)

Il a déjà été envisagé de refaire la gare en viaduc dans le passé il me semble. Probablement dans le cadre du projet de train de l’ouest.

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Ah je cherchai justement de la documentation, des études, sur ce projet et celui du tramway Cote-des-Neiges de l’administration Tremblay (de la même période je crois). Je n’ai pas trouvé grand chose :face_with_diagonal_mouth:.

Avec le dénivelé à l’ouest, surtout du côté de la ligne Candiac, j’aurai pensé davantage à une station en tranchée.

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C’est dans les anciens PTI de l’AMT qu’on risque de trouver de l’info à ce sujet. Par exemple, le PTI 2010-2012 de l’AMT :
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06_2010_2012.pdf (gouv.qc.ca)

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Se fondre dans son environnement

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Pourquoi est-ce que c’est la seule gare exo qui a de la gueule? Si on ne compte pas les travaux en cours à Lucien l’Allier évidemment…

Probablement en lien avec les budgets plus que minimaliste avec lequel les sociétés de transport doivent planifier les immobilisations et le service.

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les trois gares offrant le service le plus acceptable (Vendôme, Lucien L’allier et Montréal-Ouest) ont toutes été rénovées. Les autres gares du réseau ont probablement chacune individuellement moins d’achalandage qu’une station du SRB Pie-IX. À ce stade, le service justifie à peine un stationnement en gravier, chaque.

It turns out that the station building has no lighting on weekends, even if it is open.

They could have installed motion sensors for those.

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How is this even allowed ? There is minimal light requirements for a building when in usage and les not forget just for the security, like they are saving on some hydro bills by doing that…

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They just have been updating the style as time goes on. The new style can be seen across on the other side, the style in the “after” is the older AMT style which is from 20 years ago.

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Yes, but Exo continued the ATM’s standardization of benches, fences, shelters, lampposts, and sign holders used across their installations, so the custom burgundy ones installed during the renovation of line 11 in the 80s are slowly being replaced with bland, off-the-shelf models.

I imagine it save money in purchasing and maintenance, but it strips a lot of character from the line, which had a very cohesive identity based on the original station buildings’ architecture.

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It would be nice if exo could keep the fixtures, and signage to match the style of the station, but updated information, like the newer symbols and fonts. It could be very nicely integrated, similar to the metro with unique styles

Sadly with exo’s tiny budget it probably costs too much to maintain all of this, and standardization is easier and cheaper

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I understand that the changes happened over a 20+ year time frame but now there are 3 different styles (the 80s reno, the AMT blue standard and now the new EXO one) which don’t match together, all in the same place. Its just plain ugly and looks sub-par.

i’m all for standardization, but to avoid this huge mismatch this they should stop changing their style every 5-10 years. They should have kept going with the original VH for all stations with historical buildings no matter the line and what was on the DM line for the rest.

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Part of the answer is to take the time to write a comprehensive style and design document like TFL did. All of it is available publicly.

The British are both much more thorough in their planning and much more flexible in their approach to design. They don’t get caught in the trap of opposing development and history. They mary both harmoniously.

I could be wrong, but in Montreal, I feel like they only did the work for standard elements. At times, some of the less standard elements feel more improvised. It should have been obvious from the start that they were going to have to work with some legacy and non-standard elements. TFL also has to deal with this problem.

As if all of that wasn’t bad enough, we also have to deal with private owners using their own style within their property. In London, the standards set by TFL also apply on private property. In that sense, the REM is correct in enforcing rigorously the display of their trademark. The ARTM should be doing the same and playing hardball with private property owners.

That’s not their mandate. They can play hardball but their voice means nothing because the building owners can just ignore them. Nothing requires them to follow what the ARTM says

They own the trademark and copyright, don’t they? They have the law on their side. When I was living in Montreal, one of the more noticeable things I saw was all of the advertising saying “come shop at X in the Metro, located at station Y”. The Metro has tremendous brand recognition and compagnies want their customers to know that their store is easily accessible. That gives the ARTM room to negotiate and pressure private compagnies into compliance.

That’s not how copyright ownership works, and the ARTM doesn’t own the copyright to the metro branding. Businesses aren’t required to add metro branding if the STM requested, they can just modify/remove it, and that’s for advertisements not wayfinding

They have tried, many don’t respond

Look at Gare Centrale, Cominar didn’t respond to their requests of better signage, until I added signs there. Kevric didn’t respond until my signs. Groupe Petra didn’t respond until my signs. Private owners don’t care and don’t need to care because there’s no law saying the ARTM has say over the signage

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“they don’t care” parce qu’il n’y a pas de conséquences financières… Ils ont agi la dernière fois parce que tes interventions ont attiré l’attention de différents médias et qu’ils ont été mis devant le fait accompli… Rendu là, ils étaient plus en mode réaction/relations publiques.

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